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  • One Excommunication Experience | NotMe.ie
    did point out to their Excellencies that a reticence in applying sanctions is not what I recall of the clergy I encountered at school I don t believe that either Bishop was being obstructive or evasive Rather it seems that Canon Law does not make it easy for the institution to facilitate the process I had requested In parallel to this correspondence I was also directed through a series of priests who were responsible for implementing Canon Law on behalf of the parish where I was baptised These were variously clergy working locally in the parish priests in the curia within the diocesan office and also in Armagh Throughout this process the basis on which decisions were being taken was not obvious However as best I could make out latae sentential excommunication describes a situation whereby a person effectively excommunicates themselves from the Roman Catholic Church through their actions The penalty of excommunication automatically follows and apostasy is one of the actions that incurs latae sentential excommunication This is described in Canon 1364 Canon 1364 Without prejudice to the prescript of Canon 194 an apostate from the faith a heretic or a schismatic incurs a latae sentential excommunication in addition a cleric can be punished with the penalties mentioned in Canon 1336 An apostate as opposed to a heretic or a schismatic is defined in Canon 751 Canon 751 Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with members of the Church subject to him As I understand it the requirement to qualify for latae sentential excommunication is not simply that a person should state that they are an apostate This is treated as being indicative of ephemeral doubts Rather a person must prove that their apostasy has had a specific impact on their life In my own case it seems that my membership of Atheist Ireland was sufficient to prove my apostasy allowing me to formally leave the Roman Catholic Church I then received the letter at the link below at the end of this process and I m very grateful to all of the clergy that I engaged with While the procedure seemed lengthy and convoluted all of the individual priests that I corresponded with were scrupulously polite and always responded to my queries and requests promptly Letter from Chancellor Category Right to Defect Views 2394 Share this post a 0 b 0 c 0 d 0 j 0 It s my sacred right to leave the Catholic Church To Baptise or Not to Baptise That is the Question Related posts Right to Defect It s my sacred right to leave the Catholic Church 31st October 2014 Right to Defect To Baptise or Not to Baptise That is the Question 30th August 2015 6 Comments steve white December

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  • One Excommunication Experience | NotMe.ie
    did point out to their Excellencies that a reticence in applying sanctions is not what I recall of the clergy I encountered at school I don t believe that either Bishop was being obstructive or evasive Rather it seems that Canon Law does not make it easy for the institution to facilitate the process I had requested In parallel to this correspondence I was also directed through a series of priests who were responsible for implementing Canon Law on behalf of the parish where I was baptised These were variously clergy working locally in the parish priests in the curia within the diocesan office and also in Armagh Throughout this process the basis on which decisions were being taken was not obvious However as best I could make out latae sentential excommunication describes a situation whereby a person effectively excommunicates themselves from the Roman Catholic Church through their actions The penalty of excommunication automatically follows and apostasy is one of the actions that incurs latae sentential excommunication This is described in Canon 1364 Canon 1364 Without prejudice to the prescript of Canon 194 an apostate from the faith a heretic or a schismatic incurs a latae sentential excommunication in addition a cleric can be punished with the penalties mentioned in Canon 1336 An apostate as opposed to a heretic or a schismatic is defined in Canon 751 Canon 751 Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with members of the Church subject to him As I understand it the requirement to qualify for latae sentential excommunication is not simply that a person should state that they are an apostate This is treated as being indicative of ephemeral doubts Rather a person must prove that their apostasy has had a specific impact on their life In my own case it seems that my membership of Atheist Ireland was sufficient to prove my apostasy allowing me to formally leave the Roman Catholic Church I then received the letter at the link below at the end of this process and I m very grateful to all of the clergy that I engaged with While the procedure seemed lengthy and convoluted all of the individual priests that I corresponded with were scrupulously polite and always responded to my queries and requests promptly Letter from Chancellor Category Right to Defect Views 2394 Share this post a 0 b 0 c 0 d 0 j 0 It s my sacred right to leave the Catholic Church To Baptise or Not to Baptise That is the Question Related posts Right to Defect It s my sacred right to leave the Catholic Church 31st October 2014 Right to Defect To Baptise or Not to Baptise That is the Question 30th August 2015 6 Comments steve white December

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  • One Excommunication Experience | NotMe.ie
    did point out to their Excellencies that a reticence in applying sanctions is not what I recall of the clergy I encountered at school I don t believe that either Bishop was being obstructive or evasive Rather it seems that Canon Law does not make it easy for the institution to facilitate the process I had requested In parallel to this correspondence I was also directed through a series of priests who were responsible for implementing Canon Law on behalf of the parish where I was baptised These were variously clergy working locally in the parish priests in the curia within the diocesan office and also in Armagh Throughout this process the basis on which decisions were being taken was not obvious However as best I could make out latae sentential excommunication describes a situation whereby a person effectively excommunicates themselves from the Roman Catholic Church through their actions The penalty of excommunication automatically follows and apostasy is one of the actions that incurs latae sentential excommunication This is described in Canon 1364 Canon 1364 Without prejudice to the prescript of Canon 194 an apostate from the faith a heretic or a schismatic incurs a latae sentential excommunication in addition a cleric can be punished with the penalties mentioned in Canon 1336 An apostate as opposed to a heretic or a schismatic is defined in Canon 751 Canon 751 Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with members of the Church subject to him As I understand it the requirement to qualify for latae sentential excommunication is not simply that a person should state that they are an apostate This is treated as being indicative of ephemeral doubts Rather a person must prove that their apostasy has had a specific impact on their life In my own case it seems that my membership of Atheist Ireland was sufficient to prove my apostasy allowing me to formally leave the Roman Catholic Church I then received the letter at the link below at the end of this process and I m very grateful to all of the clergy that I engaged with While the procedure seemed lengthy and convoluted all of the individual priests that I corresponded with were scrupulously polite and always responded to my queries and requests promptly Letter from Chancellor Category Right to Defect Views 2394 Share this post a 0 b 0 c 0 d 0 j 0 It s my sacred right to leave the Catholic Church To Baptise or Not to Baptise That is the Question Related posts Right to Defect It s my sacred right to leave the Catholic Church 31st October 2014 Right to Defect To Baptise or Not to Baptise That is the Question 30th August 2015 6 Comments steve white December

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  • It’s my sacred right to leave the Catholic Church | NotMe.ie
    more appropriate it seemed to bring this matter to the Irish government But the reaction I received from various departments was clouded in more bureaucracy than the Church When I asked the Department of Justice if such a facility could be set up they replied that The State has no role in determining the rules and regulation of different religious denominations including the canon law of the Roman Catholic Church All citizens are equal before the law of the State regardless of religious affiliation or non religious affiliation Similarly the Data Protection Commissioner offered little wisdom when I asked if it was appropriate that the Church be allowed to hold onto thousands of documents that contain false and misleading information Having raised this issue several times on social media I then received a number of comments likes retweets and emails from fellow atheists who shared their frustration at being prevented from leaving the Church One 34 year old Dublin man who wished to remain anonymous but who provided me with adequate documentation backing up his claims said that in Austria where he currently resides the state provides a service for citizens who want to leave the Catholic Church In both Germany and Austria the Catholic Church imposes a 1 mandatory tax on all its members This man explained how as an Irish citizen he was able just last month to officially leave the Catholic Church with the help of the Austrian government In Austria the state provides information online about how to leave the Catholic Church he said I was able to register that I was officially leaving the Church simply by returning a completed form The state also provided an online system where you can register as having left the Church I really don t see why this same criteria could not be implemented in Ireland After a plethora of predictable and stale replies from official governmental channels I then contacted all the political parties in Ireland Just one party however showed an interest Joe Higgins of the Socialist Party says that the Catholic Church should remove members from their lists if they don t consider themselves a member anymore Deputy Higgins then brought the matter up in Dáil Éireann on my behalf Deputy Higgins sent a written address to the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform Brendan Howlin asking if he could consider extending the Freedom of Information legislation to cover records such as baptismal certificates that are currently kept by religious institutions The Department replied that A new Freedom of Information Bill is expected to be enacted before the end of the year It might be the case that some religious institutions or additional bodies run by religious congregations providing a service to the public could be prescribed as Freedom of Information bodies under section 7 of the new Freedom of Information Bill when it is enacted I then contacted the editor of the Irish Catholic newspaper Michael Kelly He said that he would not comment because

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  • It’s my sacred right to leave the Catholic Church | NotMe.ie
    more appropriate it seemed to bring this matter to the Irish government But the reaction I received from various departments was clouded in more bureaucracy than the Church When I asked the Department of Justice if such a facility could be set up they replied that The State has no role in determining the rules and regulation of different religious denominations including the canon law of the Roman Catholic Church All citizens are equal before the law of the State regardless of religious affiliation or non religious affiliation Similarly the Data Protection Commissioner offered little wisdom when I asked if it was appropriate that the Church be allowed to hold onto thousands of documents that contain false and misleading information Having raised this issue several times on social media I then received a number of comments likes retweets and emails from fellow atheists who shared their frustration at being prevented from leaving the Church One 34 year old Dublin man who wished to remain anonymous but who provided me with adequate documentation backing up his claims said that in Austria where he currently resides the state provides a service for citizens who want to leave the Catholic Church In both Germany and Austria the Catholic Church imposes a 1 mandatory tax on all its members This man explained how as an Irish citizen he was able just last month to officially leave the Catholic Church with the help of the Austrian government In Austria the state provides information online about how to leave the Catholic Church he said I was able to register that I was officially leaving the Church simply by returning a completed form The state also provided an online system where you can register as having left the Church I really don t see why this same criteria could not be implemented in Ireland After a plethora of predictable and stale replies from official governmental channels I then contacted all the political parties in Ireland Just one party however showed an interest Joe Higgins of the Socialist Party says that the Catholic Church should remove members from their lists if they don t consider themselves a member anymore Deputy Higgins then brought the matter up in Dáil Éireann on my behalf Deputy Higgins sent a written address to the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform Brendan Howlin asking if he could consider extending the Freedom of Information legislation to cover records such as baptismal certificates that are currently kept by religious institutions The Department replied that A new Freedom of Information Bill is expected to be enacted before the end of the year It might be the case that some religious institutions or additional bodies run by religious congregations providing a service to the public could be prescribed as Freedom of Information bodies under section 7 of the new Freedom of Information Bill when it is enacted I then contacted the editor of the Irish Catholic newspaper Michael Kelly He said that he would not comment because

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  • It’s my sacred right to leave the Catholic Church | NotMe.ie
    more appropriate it seemed to bring this matter to the Irish government But the reaction I received from various departments was clouded in more bureaucracy than the Church When I asked the Department of Justice if such a facility could be set up they replied that The State has no role in determining the rules and regulation of different religious denominations including the canon law of the Roman Catholic Church All citizens are equal before the law of the State regardless of religious affiliation or non religious affiliation Similarly the Data Protection Commissioner offered little wisdom when I asked if it was appropriate that the Church be allowed to hold onto thousands of documents that contain false and misleading information Having raised this issue several times on social media I then received a number of comments likes retweets and emails from fellow atheists who shared their frustration at being prevented from leaving the Church One 34 year old Dublin man who wished to remain anonymous but who provided me with adequate documentation backing up his claims said that in Austria where he currently resides the state provides a service for citizens who want to leave the Catholic Church In both Germany and Austria the Catholic Church imposes a 1 mandatory tax on all its members This man explained how as an Irish citizen he was able just last month to officially leave the Catholic Church with the help of the Austrian government In Austria the state provides information online about how to leave the Catholic Church he said I was able to register that I was officially leaving the Church simply by returning a completed form The state also provided an online system where you can register as having left the Church I really don t see why this same criteria could not be implemented in Ireland After a plethora of predictable and stale replies from official governmental channels I then contacted all the political parties in Ireland Just one party however showed an interest Joe Higgins of the Socialist Party says that the Catholic Church should remove members from their lists if they don t consider themselves a member anymore Deputy Higgins then brought the matter up in Dáil Éireann on my behalf Deputy Higgins sent a written address to the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform Brendan Howlin asking if he could consider extending the Freedom of Information legislation to cover records such as baptismal certificates that are currently kept by religious institutions The Department replied that A new Freedom of Information Bill is expected to be enacted before the end of the year It might be the case that some religious institutions or additional bodies run by religious congregations providing a service to the public could be prescribed as Freedom of Information bodies under section 7 of the new Freedom of Information Bill when it is enacted I then contacted the editor of the Irish Catholic newspaper Michael Kelly He said that he would not comment because

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  • It’s my sacred right to leave the Catholic Church | NotMe.ie
    more appropriate it seemed to bring this matter to the Irish government But the reaction I received from various departments was clouded in more bureaucracy than the Church When I asked the Department of Justice if such a facility could be set up they replied that The State has no role in determining the rules and regulation of different religious denominations including the canon law of the Roman Catholic Church All citizens are equal before the law of the State regardless of religious affiliation or non religious affiliation Similarly the Data Protection Commissioner offered little wisdom when I asked if it was appropriate that the Church be allowed to hold onto thousands of documents that contain false and misleading information Having raised this issue several times on social media I then received a number of comments likes retweets and emails from fellow atheists who shared their frustration at being prevented from leaving the Church One 34 year old Dublin man who wished to remain anonymous but who provided me with adequate documentation backing up his claims said that in Austria where he currently resides the state provides a service for citizens who want to leave the Catholic Church In both Germany and Austria the Catholic Church imposes a 1 mandatory tax on all its members This man explained how as an Irish citizen he was able just last month to officially leave the Catholic Church with the help of the Austrian government In Austria the state provides information online about how to leave the Catholic Church he said I was able to register that I was officially leaving the Church simply by returning a completed form The state also provided an online system where you can register as having left the Church I really don t see why this same criteria could not be implemented in Ireland After a plethora of predictable and stale replies from official governmental channels I then contacted all the political parties in Ireland Just one party however showed an interest Joe Higgins of the Socialist Party says that the Catholic Church should remove members from their lists if they don t consider themselves a member anymore Deputy Higgins then brought the matter up in Dáil Éireann on my behalf Deputy Higgins sent a written address to the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform Brendan Howlin asking if he could consider extending the Freedom of Information legislation to cover records such as baptismal certificates that are currently kept by religious institutions The Department replied that A new Freedom of Information Bill is expected to be enacted before the end of the year It might be the case that some religious institutions or additional bodies run by religious congregations providing a service to the public could be prescribed as Freedom of Information bodies under section 7 of the new Freedom of Information Bill when it is enacted I then contacted the editor of the Irish Catholic newspaper Michael Kelly He said that he would not comment because

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  • NotMe.ie | Count Me Out Archives - NotMe.ie
    references to the act Read More 31st October 2014 No Comments Helen O Shea Church Continues to Block Formal Defections A statement from Count Me Out 20 07 2011 Church Continues to Block Formal Cessation of Membership The Catholic Church continues to block efforts by those who wish to formally renounce their membership of the faith The Countmeout ie organisation recently assisted 16 people in their effort to have an Act of Read More 31st October 2014 No Comments Helen O Shea Count Me Out Shuts Down A statement from Count Me Out Countmeout ie Closes After Church Failure To Allow Formal Defection 8th August 2013 The countmeout ie campaign which provided a means to formally leave the Catholic Church is to cease operations with immediate effect The website was established in June 2009 largely as a Read More Recent Posts To Baptise or Not to Baptise That is the Question One Excommunication Experience It s my sacred right to leave the Catholic Church Church Changes Defection Process Church Ignores wishes of those wanting to defect Recent Comments Eilish Burke on Guestbook Bryan on To Baptise or Not to Baptise That is the Question Bryan on It s my sacred

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